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of service that such a rapidly growing system demands. I think that is a
fair statement. You are familiar that between K-12 an University Affairs
there was a system that was quite rigid, and that was the Technical-Vocational
Education: the Director of Technical-Vocational Education and basically that
operated a variety of provincial vocational schools and then there was the
orphan in the picture that was the Vancouver Vocational Institute which was
operated by the Vancouver School Board. Again, in the field the faculties
and the students did fine but it was quite an authoritarian system and

quite a centralized system, and I think for its time in history, did a good
job. But you see, that system, in effect, tended to disappear before there
was a post-secondary system to address itself to the new challenge of pro-

viding services for the various colleges.

Having gone through a little bit of that history, I might say that in all
fairness we don't yet have the full capability that we are aiming for to be
of service to the colleges as they are developing. I think also, however,

we are heading in the direction that will give us this capability and it

will give us this capability on the basis of probably an organization that
can best be described as a collegial type of organization and as you can
appreciate, in any organizational structure, it is only as good as the
sincerity of the people in it no matter what model is used. I happen to
feel that as we are organizing, it will be good, because it is being organized
in post-secondary particularly on what I'd call a program basis, and by
program, I mean division of programs. For instance, there will be in total
within the Education Department first of all seven superintendents; there
will be a Superintendont for Financial Services, a Superintendent for Post-
Secondary Programs, a Superintendent of Integrated and Support Services, and
so on you go to Superintendent of Secondary Schools. In other words, there
is a total of seven superintendents and they form what you might broadly

term the management committee of the Department, so that whenever this group
meets, in fact all of education is being represented at the same conference
table. But bear in mind it is being represented by Superintendents who in the
main are quite removed from day to day’ operations that you people are in, and

so we have to be very careful that we don't start to think in isolation.